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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

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  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  Fatfreek,

  Oops! The link to the Franz audio snippet from my prior post may be incorrect.

  Thanks for mentioning it!

  When the link didn't work, I assumed there was a problem at my end and so went and found the clip on Quotes' site...

  However, it's an excellent snippet--this is a transcription of the latter part of it (courtesy of Quotes):

  We remember the mistake that was made with regard to Nineteen-Fourteen, predicting what it was going to signify. And we remember, uuuhh, the mistake that was made regarding the year Nineteen Hundred and Twenty-Five... And so all kinds of predictions were regarding that year, and, uh, well I recall at a table discussion, uh, after the year had passed, and the matter came up, uh, for, uh, talking about, discussing there at the Bethel table. Well, uh, Brother Rutherford, uh, made this statement with regard to Nineteen-hundred and Twenty-Five. He said, 'I made and Ass of myself.'

  Thanks.
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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  Osarsif ,

  Thank you, thank you.

  Not only are the links you provided exactly what I was looking for, but more interestingly, being from two separate Watchtower articles 18 months apart, they also seem to give an interesting twist to my previous understanding of Rutherford's apparent statement:

  Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so... The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason.

  Putting the two sentences together like this seems, to me, anyway, to give the impression that Rutherford was blaming his followers for their 'inflated anticipations.'

  However, the second sentence, from the February 1925 article, is made in the context of referring to past 'disappointments,' prior to the 1925 fiasco. (No doubt it was part of the 'softening-up' process of preparing the Bible Students for yet one more.) But it does not appear to be part of a verbal whiplashing given by the Judge to the doubting faithful.

  Is this is a reasonable interpretation? If so, do you know if there are any such examples of Rutherford 'blaming the brothers'?

  Thank you again.
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  Society once again teaches: Creative days were 7000 years each!

  by sir82 in

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  "long time lurker, first time poster".

  thought everybody would enjoy this snippet of an e-mail, from a friend of a friend who is in the current gilead class:.

  "...brother liverance gave a fascinating talk on bible chronology.

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  IT Support

  Might it be that the rise of the fundamentalist right in the US, combined with the increasing visibility of the Intelligent Design movement, is emboldening the GB to flip back to yet another old doctrinal 'flop'?
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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  IT Support

  Hi Fatfreek ,

  Hey, IT Support. Quotes.CA has an audio of Fred Franz delivering some 7 minutes at a district assy early in 1975 and in Australia. That's the one where he quotes Rutherford, "I made an ass of myself". The context clearly shows it was about the 1925 debacle. If your family has ever heard Franz speak, this audio will be clearly recognizable.

  That's great, thanks. Someone (perhaps Randy, I don't remember) had written that they'd heard Franz make that same comment about Rutherford at Bethel morning worship, but I'd never been able to get confirmation from a second souce. Hearing it in Franz' own words, though, is priceless.
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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  IT Support

  HappyDad,

  I would suggest going to Quotes site..........

  Although Quotes has scans for many of his quotations, he doesn't have these ones.

  Thanks for the suggestion, though.
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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  IT Support

  TheListener,

  I suggest, though, that using scans won't be effectice without the hardcopy in your library to show it's authentic.

  Good point, especially if it was for 'general release.' However, as I'm simply preparing this for my family, I hope that won't be such an issue.

  get the cds of the reprints online

  I've been thinking of that, but I've already got virtually all the scans I need, it just these two I'm missing...!

  I hope you'll share the document when you're done.

  PM me your email address.

  Gumby,

  Show them that there was NO FDS before Russells time and that he recieved his FOOD from no one... He took the bible off the shelf and figured it out on his own.

  Good idea, thanks.

  I think I've got an old JW in the Divine Purpose pushed in at the back of a shelf somewhere.
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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  IT Support

  stillajwexelder ,

  Thank you very much for posting this.

  I don't suppose you also have a .jpg image of the page, that you could also post?

  The format of the document I'm preparing has a small section of text at the top of each page with a relevant quote from a WT publication, then below that--filling the rest of the page--a scan of the actual page, showing that the quote has not been taken out of context, etc.

  I think it is also more powerful to JWs to let them see WT condemning themselves in their own words. JWs can't argue with a reproduction of the original page from the literature.

  Regards.
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  Scan of old publications

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  watchtower, august 1, 1926, p. 232

  rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

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  IT Support

  I'm preparing some information for my wife and kids, and would appreciate if someone was able to post a scan of these pages:

  • Watchtower, August 1, 1926, p. 232

  Rutherford 'beating his slaves' just because they believed his crap:

  Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so... The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason.

  • 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah?s Witnesses, p. 146

  WT's present-day 'spin' on the 1925 events:

  Instead of its being considered a 'probability,' they read into it that it was a 'certainty,' and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection.

  Thanks in advance.
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  Commencement Exercises ??

  by IT Support in

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  we received the following card in the mail today from a young us friend:

  the senior class of xx high school announces the commencement exercise <at time> <at place>... .

  she also enclosed in the envelope a couple of pretty photos of herself.

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  kgfreeperson ,

  The idea of "commencement" exercises is that this is the beginning of something, rather than the end (today is the first day of the rest of your life, kind of thing.)

  Ok, that makes sense, even if a little obscure!

  The older I get the more I appreciate the significance and importance of rituals marking milestones.

  I quite agree.
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  Commencement Exercises ??

  by IT Support in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we received the following card in the mail today from a young us friend:

  the senior class of xx high school announces the commencement exercise <at time> <at place>... .

  she also enclosed in the envelope a couple of pretty photos of herself.

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  4JWY,

  It is generally not an open invitation to all to actually attend - most often there would be tickets for your admittance to the event enclosed if you were expected to be able to attend.

  No, no tickets were enclosed!

  My son is graduating also next month and today he picks up his announcements to send to friends, relatives - which I hesitate to send.......because I know that many folks do feel an obligation to send $$$ and I struggle with this aspect of it.

  I can understand your hesitation. But still, you must be really proud of your son. Congratulations! (Also to any others who also are about to graduate from high school.)

  hartstrings,

  I received honors and wasn't about to blow off what little praise I received in my life

  Damn right, good for you!

  I now think this is one of the most hateful aspects of JW child-raising, the deliberate withholding of praise and commendation and any sense of self-worth in our kids...

  I will always regret not going to college... but I crave learning and plan to do it just for the experience. Does that make sense to anyone but myself??

  I know exactly how you feel. Good luck with your plans!